2500 points a side, 2 players. Back before the MC 70, may have been before the Liberty, actually. Took us five evenings, 4-6 hours at a time. My poor Rebels were squished. Played at my FLGS, with the owner. Evenings during the week are a bit slow, and he has his personal gaming table adjacent to the register, so he can play and still keep the lights on. Game would have gone a bit quicker, but store policy is "If you have money to give me, I will wait to play my game"