We've been complaining about ECM for literally years, and get this seemingly well-made competitor for it, that looks explicitly designed to compete, and... CW only.
I can't see this breaking the game on any existing GCW ships, which leaves me with 2 explanations: 1.) not making GCW players buy Clone Wars expansions, and 2.) leaving future GCW design space open.
Given the release of our first card pack, other cards in the release being faction-neutral and no indications of upcoming GCW content (heck, there isn't that much to make), neither of those answers really satisfies me. Is anyone else feeling a little... miffed at this card getting era-locked? Or is there a compelling reason why this would have been overpowered?
The Armada Wikipedia has been updated too.
@The Jabbawookiee It was a long conversation, but here's a relevant quote from Dras:
"It should also be noted that, in the original rulings, Yavaris was specifically called out to look back. And the advice I was given, and relayed, was that IO was specifically not"
It's generally agreed that an official ruling would help though.
Would someone please post a link to the cards we’re talking about? I’m not sure where these things are getting spoiled. Thanks!
@The Jabbawookiee The consensus among Karneck, Dras etc. is that Intel Officer does not look backward, as it reads "is spent" not "was spent."
Assault Frigates are already much more survivable due to the evade change. Both of these potatoes did really well in the VWC.
[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Gallant Haven ( 8 points)
- Walex Blissex ( 5 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 127 total ship cost
Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72)
• Admiral Ackbar (38)
• Intel Officer (7)
• Caitken and Shollan (6)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Slaved Turrets (6)
= 136 Points
@geek19 : Yeah, I guess I should try it out. I still think it should be priced higher; 7 points seems more reasonable. But we'll see.
I think thermals are deliberayely powerful and era restricted on purpose. I think they are a continuation of the 1.5 effort to balance the 4 factions by hamnering the original era OP stuff (demo, yavaris, avenger et al) so that the new factions dont have to have similarly stupid stuff to compete.
And im not remotely convinced of the backward looking intel officer. That just sounds dumb
I guess part of my logic is that to the extent this card is meta-warping (and @Mad Cat brought up some good arguments for why it will be), the meta will be warped. You cannot ignore half the factions having good reason to take something. Crits suck even more now, Intel Officer just saw a major stock increase if he shuts this down (the Yavaris/FCT ruling suggests to me he does), etc.
There's a discussion to be had that this might not be good for the game, and I don't know that I agree because I'm tired of facing the long line of haymaker large bases since wave VII, but that's almost its own can of worms. If it's broken you'll still be seeing OP Thermal Shields everywhere, you'll just be seeing less faction flexibility as well.
@Bertie Wooster In the first case I suspect your grievances lie with a chassis that should be changed anyway (the Onager), not the little extra push it gets compared to ECM. Agate... that's an interesting point. There's definitely synergy there, but to be honest I like the idea of a really, really durable Assault Frigate. I wouldn't mind giving it more love. And some of the other combos with synergy are exciting to me, like Targeting Scramblers or Hand of Justice.
Might just be different visions for the meta, but I'm with you in mourning the death of crits. It seems likely that ship sailed as soon as this card was printed, but maybe I'm wrong. The exhaust APTs/ACMs already have lessens the wound *a bit* because they're 1 hit max on the double arc anyway.
I guess I'm just cranky because I feel like it's so hard to take something like an MC30 with Dodonna (used to be my favorite Rebel commander) and APT. I hate playing a game in which my MC30 gets that one shot and the crit doesn't go off. Demo, Sato or TF with APT or ACM are probably fine. But otherwise it seems like External Racks is almost always the ordnance you should take. External Racks goes up in value even more against Thermal Shields.
My guess would be because when it's up against a ship outfitted for a lot of dice adding and fixing which take place after the Thermal effect is over it's efficacy might drop off considerably. Criticals might actually be the best way to mitigate it actually as DCO is never really seen except on the SSD and the CW factions have too many other officers they need to be using already.
An Onager with Tua and Thermal shields.
An Agate Assault Frigate with two braces and Thermal Shields.
I don't really like either of these two options. I'm glad it's faction locked.
I don't want to complain about the upgrade before it's here, but I don't understand why it's the same price as Cluster Bombs and Reinforced Blast Doors, which must be discarded. Its existence makes me even more leery of taking crit effects like ACM and APT, which are already in dangerous territory due to the evade change.
It seems like Thermals are made as more of a defensive buff for some of the super lasers that have been existent in Rebels/Imperials. And they make concentrating fire and add die effects (QBTs, Mar Tuuk, Ackbar, Spinal/Enhanced Armament, ExRax to name a few) more important. If they make con fire a worthy dial for some ships than I'd say they're worth it!