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Mo Mothma, Mo Problems

Faction: Rebel Alliance Commander: Mon Mothma Points: 400/400

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack Defense Objective: Asteroid Tactics Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Mon Mothma ( 27 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - H9 Turbolasers ( 8 points) = 110 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - H9 Turbolasers ( 8 points) = 75 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette B (39 points) = 39 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points) - Bright Hope ( 2 points) = 20 total ship cost

1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points) 1 Shara Bey ( 17 points) 1 Corran Horn ( 22 points) 1 Lando Calrissian ( 23 points) = 78 total squadron cost

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8 Comments

Silverback Jedi

Feb 02, 2021

I was really surprised ilar build!

Mon, 2x Torpedo (Admonition), 1xScout Foresight, TRC90, Bright Hope plus Shara & 3 A-Wings.

I was really surprised how Mon increases MC30 survivability. Both Torpedos ( Admon and nameless!) were double tapped by Demolisher and the survived to fight another day!...barely...

My opponent list was a 7 activation Imperial small fleet swarm.

I would go for SW-7 on the CR90B and get some points do Admonition title! APT/ACM/EXR discussion is legit!...especially with the new point cost, and really none is a bad choice.

Regarding Objectives, why not Hyperspace assault over Asteroid Tactics?

Aahz

Feb 02, 2021

This is a really interesting build. I'm gonna try a variation - though I think I'm gonna move Mothma to one of the CR90s and keep it the furthest out of the fight since the MC30s really want to get in close . . .

EbonHawk

Jan 16, 2021

Points: 389/400

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack Defense Objective: Asteroid Tactics Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Mon Mothma ( 27 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 4 points) = 106 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Lando Calrissian (off) ( 4 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 4 points) = 75 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 4 points) = 71 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette B (39 points) - Jainas Light ( 2 points) - MS-1 Ion Cannons ( 2 points) = 43 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette B (39 points) - MS-1 Ion Cannons ( 2 points) = 41 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points) - Bright Hope ( 2 points) = 20 total ship cost

1 Shara Bey ( 17 points) 1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points) = 33 total squadron cost

cc @Cpt ObVus

Cpt ObVus

Jan 13, 2021

Name: Untitled Fleet Faction: Rebel Commander: Mon Mothma

Assault: Defense: Navigation:

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Mon Mothma (27) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Concussion Missiles (5) • Foresight (8) = 107 Points

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Concussion Missiles (5) = 72 Points

CR90 Corvette B (39) • SW-7 Ion Batteries (5) = 44 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18) • Bright Hope (2) = 20 Points

Squadrons: • Shara Bey (17) • Tycho Celchu (16) = 33 Points

Total Points: 392

I give the following advice so often that I once considered changing my username on the FFG Forums to “Blackdicewantabid,” but... black dice want a bid. Both of your proposed fleets, and my proposed rework, all feature six ships, which means you probably have more activations than the opponent, and if you have the ability to last/first with those MC30’s, you’re in great shape. Thus, my suggestion keeps a substantial 8-point bid. Truth be told, I’d prefer something in the 10-12 point range, but A) I didn’t want to stray too far from the path you were laying out, and B) the cuts get pretty tough at this point. In any event, bid for first, and last/first the opponent all day.

H9’s are good, but your blues and blacks with Ordnance Experts are already a pretty consistent setup, and the bid is more important.

As for the CR-90B: I don’t love it naked, and I’ve personally never used MS-1 Ion Cannons, but SW-7’s are fantastic. Guaranteed damage, every time. If you’re looking to increase your bid, however (and you should), maybe switching the SW-7’s for MS-1’s is the answer. You could even run one of each, I suppose.

The GR-75 Combat Refit is not where you want to be here. I see what you’re doing, going for the Combat version for the longer-range flak and Draven for extra dice and all, but... points are tight, and bid is king in this list. I could go on about how the Combat Refit is basically never worth it, but suffice to say, you want the Medium Transport with just Bright Hope, and it’s there for two reasons: to activate your A-Wings, and to provide another ship activation.

Other than that, this seems like a good clean list. If I were going to add anything else, it would be a Skilled First Officer for each Torpedo Frigate, the idea being that you run them with alternating Concentrate Fire and Navigation commands, and the first time you hit a situation where you get the wrong one, you discard SFO and you have the other one all lined up. Then you get to reset both dials at the end of the turn, and you’re probably good for the rest of the game. Not bad for 1 point.

Now, all of this is basically the same advice I’d have given before the 1.5 changes, but I actually feel way better about this now, because I think the Evade improvements and Mon Mothma’s cost reduction make this a much more attractive list. However, it’s entirely possible that something fundamental about the landscape has changed with 1.5... maybe nobody bids anymore, for example. But assuming nothing like that is going on, I stand by my suggestions. :)

EbonHawk

Jan 13, 2021

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Some great advice thank you Cpt.

My thinking on MS-1s was ECM exhasuting, followed up by the H9 30s, give me tools for the big and the small ships.

I hear you fully on the combats, draven is certainly a gimmick here, and the plain bright hope is more efficient and better for the bid.

I've been playing Mothma a fair bit since 1.5... and well.. she's amazing (I cannot understand how she came down in points, its mind blowing). Evades do so much work now, as each list has an admonition like ability able to discard an evade vs a bigger ship for extra rerolls, and foresight is just horrible to kill.

I haven't been a fan of ACMs and APTs post 1.5 mainly due to the exhaust and them being 1 shot, with cards like DCOs, Brunson etc and the new evade changes, you could find yourself never triggering them in a game, which sees me lean more on Racks and surgical damage, flying out of arcs.

Cpt ObVus

Jan 15, 2021

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I’ve been thinking a lot about what you said regarding ATP/ACM, and I certainly can see the wisdom of using External Racks. The card was insane at 2 points (or 3, or whatever it used to be... what? That was a whole month ago, how’m I ‘sposda remember that?), and I think it’s still very good at 4. I still think I would opt into ACM or APT, and here’s why...

First off, the points cost between ExRax and ACM/APT is now nearly negligible. The first time you use any of those three cards, they take very little work to make happen. ExRax obviously just works, but only once, ever. APT/ACM, well, you’re getting three black dice, plus one, if you’re Concentrating Fire, plus up to two black die rerolls with Ordnance Experts, plus if you were clever, you banked a CF token early, so there’s yet another possible reroll. So that’s three, possibly four black dice with as many as three rerolls... it’s awfully hard to not come up with a critical or two, given that math. And yes, it’s only once per turn now, but they can work turn after turn. yes, the opponent can mitigate these attacks somewhat with Evades, and with Contain, they can even stop the critical effects. If you only had one ship with decent guns, I’d probably agree with External Racks being the call. But with three of these monsters, plus some guaranteed SW-7 Ion Cannon backup, I think you can put enough pressure on the opponent for a turn or two that you might be able to burn his defense tokens. Let’s also not forget that you are rolling two blues in there as well, giving you a decent chance at accuracy results (and even better chances for accuracy if you add/reroll blue dice with your Concentrate Fire commands!). DCO can’t shut you down if you stop their only Contain. And maybe the knee-jerk reaction of “one accuracy, I’ll stop your Brace” needs to be re-examined. Maybe we’re living in a world where you’re now better off stopping Evade or Contain sometimes.

I guess what I’m saying is, ExRax lets you go hard once, then gives you nothing. But if you focus fire, it’s possible that multiple copies of ACM/APT will just overwhelm the opponent, possibly over multiple turns.

There really aren’t any bad choices among those three. However, now that I’ve put it down in type, I really think Skilled First Officer needs to be aboard those MC30’s if you want to go with ACM/APT... and honestly, he seems too good to pass up with ExRax as well. I think you just never want to be cruising into battle knowing that you don’t have that Concentrate command ready, and what’s worse, there nothing you can do about it.

EbonHawk

Jan 16, 2021

Replying to

@Cpt ObVus Some good points, lots to think about.. hoping to test this list soon running through a few variants at the moment.

EbonHawk

Jan 03, 2021

Points: 396/400

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack Defense Objective: Asteroid Tactics Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Mon Mothma ( 27 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - External Racks ( 4 points) = 106 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Lando Calrissian (off) ( 4 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - External Racks ( 4 points) = 75 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - External Racks ( 4 points) = 71 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette B (39 points) - MS-1 Ion Cannons ( 2 points) = 41 total ship cost

GR-75 Combat Retrofits (24 points) - Bright Hope ( 2 points) - General Draven ( 3 points) = 29 total ship cost

1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points) 1 Shara Bey ( 17 points) = 33 total squadron cost

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